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 Post subject: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:40 pm 
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Problems keep arising with Vista users that are often resolved by turning off UAC (User Access Control). Simple as that. If you have UAC enabled and you get an error of some sort, try turning off UAC first.

What is UAC and why does it cause errors you might ask? UAC is a very intrusive addition to Windows Vista. The reason it causes errors for vbGORE is because vbGORE tries to either create files, register OCXs/DLLs, run a server, etc. UAC is the "ultimate computer newbie security system", so if it detects anything that may potentially harm your computer, it will destroy it. If you know anything about computers, which you should if you are here, you should have it disabled anyways.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:29 am 
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http://www.vista4beginners.com/How-to-disable-UAC


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:03 pm 
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If you dont feel like turning UAC off (for security reasons) you can always right click the icon/shortcut your trying to run and select "Run as Administrator" or "Run with Administrative Priviliges". This does the same thing as turning off UAC. UAC is the same as running anything in Linux, it protects your computer from anything that can potentially modify any of your system files and run a secondary process from within the primary program, if you turn off UAC, you wont know when/if something is doing something that it shouldnt. ie: To run BF2142 it has to be run with Admin Priv's, otherwise it wont be able to start up punkbuster (a secondary process) to be able to maintain connections to PB enabled servers.

I run linux 99% of the time and just use windows programs in Wine or VMware im pretty used to dealing with the permission issues, but for someone that hasnt done it, it can be something thats difficult to get used to.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:25 pm 
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well UAC is a bit more strict that typical nix perms isnt it? i don't know much about what UAC actually blocks, but a standard linux user can still start a server or execute apps owned by root, they just cant write to a directory which they dont have permission on. your bf2142 example would be able to run just fine as a non super user on a linux box. overall UAC seems like an attempt to integrate features of a competing OS which as usual failed miserably.


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:48 am 
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Well tbh i like UAC, i find it as a great addition to windows and now has some of the better aspects of the way Linux' root system works. Like someone said before, right click -> run as administrator works just as well without turning UAC off.

And gutterpunk, Linux stops files being written/changed in the system file directory, Windows UAC is allot more advanced then that, it stops files being deleted in the system directory anyway but unlike linux, you dont have to switch users, you just run the program with admin priv's.


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:02 am 
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Ahhh..the necromancers have arrived!!! ahh..also, I wouldn't call UAC more advanced..maybe more...uh...annoying?


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:52 am 
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Webbsta wrote:
Well tbh i like UAC, i find it as a great addition to windows and now has some of the better aspects of the way Linux' root system works. Like someone said before, right click -> run as administrator works just as well without turning UAC off.

And gutterpunk, Linux stops files being written/changed in the system file directory, Windows UAC is allot more advanced then that, it stops files being deleted in the system directory anyway but unlike linux, you dont have to switch users, you just run the program with admin priv's.

"sudo" ffs xD (run with root privileges)

have you ever sat on a linux pc before?
You basically NEVER login as root on linux,
no need to.

UAC is a step back in evolution...
Microsoft should start a huge Linux campaign -.-
and kill itself -.- (god im hating this OS so f*ckin much! vbgores all thats keepin me to windows!)


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:47 am 
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To be fair I'm alright with windows XP, it hasn't really messed things up that often and I've used windows since like 3.1. Vista however is by far another story, I installed it and uninstalled it within the same day I was so pissed off with how annoyingly lame it was.


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:05 am 
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BRING BACK THE DOS SHELL!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:08 am 
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I loved the DOS shell. It was so cool having to type things in just to get stuff to work, I thought I was like Super Hacker Dood™. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:52 am 
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Webbsta wrote:
And gutterpunk, Linux stops files being written/changed in the system file directory, Windows UAC is allot more advanced then that, it stops files being deleted in the system directory anyway but unlike linux, you dont have to switch users, you just run the program with admin priv's.


it goes a hell of a lot deep then "stops files being written/changed in the system file directory".
as zanval mentioned, sudo lets you run with super user privileges, aside from that the way linux perms work is much more complex than a read only "system directory".

i'm sure UAC isnt all bad, it's a step at a more secure system. it's just a big (and poorly implemented) change from how windows normally worked so it's very confusing to the average person.


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:05 am 
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thus making linux the next step after XP for me XD

XD

Afterall, vista has crapload of new stuff to learn that I don't like :x
My favourite old games also have probs under Vista... :x

and the gams are what keep me to XP


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:24 pm 
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I turned off UAC..I fail to see how bringing up a box which you eventually just automatically click okay on every time helps security that much..(apart from annoying a nex)


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:26 pm 
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nex666 wrote:
(apart from annoying a nex)

Thats the 1 thing Microsoft never wanted to tell you but..
sorry, they hate you xD


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 Post subject: Re: Vista users - read this first!
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:32 pm 
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Funny that, because Compaq hate me xD.

If you don't want to disable the UAC and are too lazy to right click and "run as admin" EVERYTIME you could always register the .dll and .ocx files yourself.

-> Run the command prompt as admin and type "regsvr32 <name of file>" and hit enter. worked for me not sure about any others, and some files don't work but haven't had a problem so far without them.


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